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IRC log for #deepin, 2016-01-03

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05:45 brainy hi hualet bro
05:45 hualet hi brainy :D
05:45 hualet how's your holiday ?
05:49 brainy very good thanks hualet :)
05:50 hualet :D
07:02 felixonmars :D
07:03 hualet hi felixonmars, how did you spend your holiday :P
07:04 felixonmars not in a good way anyway :/
07:05 felixonmars but that doesn't matter, now i'm ready for moar tags
07:05 felixonmars xD
07:06 hualet felixonmars: haha, there will no new tags in a period of time, I'm afraid :D
07:06 brainy lol
07:06 felixonmars :(
07:06 brainy this man can't get enough tags
07:06 felixonmars i'm a sad pony then
07:07 hualet brainy: let's tag him :P
07:07 brainy xD
07:07 felixonmars and my pidgin windows disappear from dock x.x
07:07 felixonmars all others are still there :3
07:08 brainy weird
07:08 hualet you mean the icon is missing or there's no space left for the icon ?
07:08 felixonmars it is missing
07:09 felixonmars http://i.imgur.com/7FFC848.png
07:09 felixonmars :/ screenshot screwed up
07:09 brainy lol
07:10 felixonmars again: http://i.imgur.com/pYVNZaC.png
07:11 brainy did it minimize as a tray icon then?
07:11 hualet oh, that's bad, it seems that dock didn't even notice the pidgin window :(
07:11 brainy oh you are right, the window is opened
07:12 felixonmars brainy: it minimized to void :/
07:12 felixonmars and it appears in the alt-tab switcher http://i.imgur.com/Lb5GKZ2.png
07:12 brainy first time this happened
07:12 brainy ?
07:13 felixonmars not the first time, but i didn't find a stable way to reproduce yet...
07:13 hualet that's bad :(
07:14 hualet felixonmars: what if you move your cursor right to the pavucontrol icon on Dock ?
07:15 felixonmars there's nothing
07:15 hualet you sure ?
07:15 felixonmars and right-clicking will pop up the normal dock context menu
07:15 hualet :(
07:15 felixonmars it's different from a missing icon problem
07:15 felixonmars in that case, there will be an empty box there
07:16 hualet right...
07:16 brainy really weird
07:16 hualet yeah
07:16 felixonmars a possible way to reproduce this problem is with wine steam
07:17 felixonmars the steam window will show/hide from the task bar rather irregularly
07:17 hualet wine programs doesn't count :P
07:18 felixonmars it's easier to reproduce after certain actions, such as wm-switcher, resolution change, open a full-screen window, etc
07:18 felixonmars or, of course, killing dde-dock/dde-preload/...
07:19 hualet I think it's a matter about crashes of dde-preload, what do you think ?
07:19 felixonmars hualet: wine programs are among your featured selling points, aren't they :P
07:19 brainy Only Pidgin that's affected??
07:19 felixonmars brainy: it affects random windows
07:19 felixonmars and it's the first time for pidgin here...
07:19 brainy hmmmm
07:20 hualet felixonmars: I was kidding, don't be serious :D
07:20 felixonmars xD
07:20 felixonmars fracting will be a sad pony
07:20 brainy hualet, have you encountered this problem too?
07:20 felixonmars hualet: dde-preload did crash a lot here...
07:20 felixonmars i'll try to watch out for it next time
07:21 hualet brainy: of course not, or I'll solve it (kidding XD)
07:21 brainy :D
07:21 hualet felixonmars: or maybe you can pick up some core dumps
07:21 hualet and see how it crashes
07:21 felixonmars yay i just called wm-switcher and pidgin windows are back on the dock xD
07:22 felixonmars sadly i just cleaned up my coredump folder last night...
07:22 felixonmars (there are too many crashes here and there, and my disk is nearly full...)
07:22 brainy Congrats, felixonmars
07:22 hualet felixonmars: np, since it crashes a lot on your computer :D
07:23 hualet congrats, felixonmars :P
07:23 brainy now you can feed him with tags hualet, he is hungry
07:24 felixonmars i still have some coredumps left (which are generated today) http://i.imgur.com/XflfF2E.png
07:24 felixonmars drkonqi is a monster :(
07:24 felixonmars and nautilus crashes when i close its window too early
07:25 felixonmars the python2.7 crashes are related to deepin-screenshot
07:25 hualet what ? even deepin-menu crashes on your computer ? what's wrong with your computer ? XD
07:25 felixonmars and finally back to the topic - dde-osd and deepin-metacity :P
07:27 felixonmars lemme look at the deepin-menu crash...
07:28 felixonmars http://i.imgur.com/YEaeKEK.png
07:28 hualet dde-osd should be re-written or something :(
07:28 felixonmars deep in Qt
07:28 felixonmars *cough* not deepin qt
07:29 hualet ah...no much debug information
07:29 felixonmars yeah...
07:29 hualet I know...I know
07:29 hualet we should provide debug packages :(
07:29 felixonmars also dde-osd: http://i.imgur.com/NwMnD8z.png
07:30 hualet and actually we didn't
07:30 felixonmars hope it still helps somehow...
07:30 hualet still N/A :(
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07:34 brainy hi base_
07:34 base_ 怎么安装shadowsocks
07:34 felixonmars pacman -S shadowsocks
07:34 * felixonmars 逃跑
07:34 base_ 用的是deepin
07:35 base_ 依赖都装不了
07:35 hualet 什么依赖?
07:36 base_ error: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 9) pkg-config libqrencode-dev libqtshadowsocks-dev (>= 1.8.0) libzbar-dev libappindicator-dev
07:37 base_ deepin15 ppa也不能用
07:38 hualet 这是编译依赖啊
07:38 base_ 没ppa就要自己编译啊
07:38 base_ 但是依赖也找不到哪里装
07:38 hualet 这几个依赖装不上?
07:39 base_ 是的
07:42 hualet 仓库里面有shadowsocks这个包吧
07:42 hualet 我好像还装了
07:45 base_ 哪个仓库?
07:45 hualet unstable
07:52 base_ 哪个unstable
08:12 brainy felixonmars, could base_ solve his problem?
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09:09 mati_ Hi, I need some help with FGLRX driver on my Deepin :) can anyone help me?
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11:59 Socrates_0 is this the official deepin channel?
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13:17 Socrates_0 Guys
13:17 Socrates_0 There's no amd64 on Mega-servers
13:17 Socrates_0 and most of connections hung
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13:19 probarti please change title! Deepin 15 release
13:20 Socrates_0 I'm having difficulties downloading amd64 version
13:21 Socrates_0 What's up with deepin - the site doesn't seem well maintained.
13:22 probarti try download with mega
13:22 probarti is upload in this server
13:23 Socrates_0 No...
13:23 Socrates_0 It's not uploaded - only x32
13:23 probarti http://sourceforge.net/proje​cts/deepin/files/15/Release/
13:23 probarti try here
13:24 Socrates_0 Tried once - hung... trying again...
13:24 probarti i downloading now
13:24 Socrates_0 community wise it seems a liiitle empty.
13:25 Socrates_0 180KB/s
13:29 probarti http://mirrors.opencas.cn/deepin-cd/15/final/
13:29 probarti http://ftp.ubuntu-tw.org/m​irror/deepin-cd/15/final/
13:30 Socrates_0 Where are these servers? :|
13:30 probarti http://mirror.bjtu.edu.cn/d​eepin-cd/releases/15/final/
13:30 probarti comunity mirros
13:30 probarti oficial
13:30 Socrates_0 Need to find 1 near Greecfe
13:30 Socrates_0 * Greece
13:32 probarti in greece not have
13:33 Socrates_0 True... I will try Germany, swizerland...
13:35 Socrates_0 http://ftp.portlane.com/pub/​os/linux/deepin-cd/15/final/ 700KB/s Amen
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13:48 Socrates_0 I guess most of the userbase is chinese?
13:49 Socrates_0 They should really make a torrent
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14:39 brainy hi fasheng xD
14:48 Socrates_0 Thank God the md5 is good
14:49 brainy hi Socrates_0
14:49 Socrates_0 hey
14:50 Socrates_0 How come the channel is so empty? - and the site not well preserved?
14:50 * Socrates_0 transfering iso to usb
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14:51 brainy Socrates_0, I agree it's a shame this channel is rather empty :-(
14:51 Socrates_0 When getting in Deepin
14:51 Socrates_0 Does it suggest that you join this IRC channel?
14:51 brainy New Deepin 15 is coming soon I believe
14:51 Socrates_0 It's released.
14:51 brainy It is? I must check it out then.
14:52 brainy Why didn't they tell me xD
14:52 Socrates_0 Did they have a welcome screen for 2014.3? brainy
14:53 brainy Socrates_0, I can't remember but I don't think so
14:53 brainy You mean Linux Mint style?
14:53 brainy Dont think so
14:53 Socrates_0 yes! (and other distros)
14:53 Socrates_0 They MUST make one...
14:53 Socrates_0 It will help populate #deepin and the 'forums' as well
14:54 brainy I think you are right. If there isn't one, I will suggest it to them.
14:54 Socrates_0 a link to the bug-tracker... or even a donation link - for the repos or what-not
14:54 brainy It's a good idea, Socrates_0
14:55 brainy Their website is not responsive, but as far as I know they haven't released the final version yet? I think it's still the Beta version
14:55 Socrates_0 Also use Torrents... for the ISOs - lighter load on the servers, faster distribution
14:56 Socrates_0 hmmm, I don't know myself
14:56 brainy Okay
14:56 Socrates_0 But Deepin seems promising (at least until I try it out :P)
14:57 brainy Yes it does xD
15:10 Socrates_0 Hiting reboot
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15:47 anonyuser Installed deepin 15 x64 - but it feels laggy...
15:47 anonyuser should I change to AMD?
15:49 anonyuser http://imgur.com/SLXX6vp
15:51 felixonmars try fglrx, the closed-source one
15:55 anonyuser felixonmars: surprised someone answered x-)
15:55 felixonmars :P
15:55 anonyuser Making a reboot
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16:01 anonyuser Server speeds are pretty slow.
16:10 anonyuser http://pastebin.com/sY4hNqQh :'D
16:13 brainy anonyuser, are you Socrates_0 ? :D
16:14 anonyuser yeap
16:14 brainy oki :P
16:15 brainy I thought they had made the new UI of Deepin 15 faster...
16:15 Socrates_0 It's beautiful but sluggish
16:16 Socrates_0 And found a couple bugs already
16:17 brainy I still think it's in Beta xD
16:18 Socrates_0 It's Final
16:18 brainy ok let me check
16:18 brainy Where did you download it??
16:19 Socrates_0 moment
16:19 brainy ok official site is working now
16:19 Socrates_0 It just doesn't feel polished
16:20 brainy felixonmars, why didn't you tell me it's already out? xD
16:20 brainy I think the title for this channel has to be updated to reflect the news
16:20 felixonmars d
16:20 felixonmars brainy: it's somewhat leaked some days ago xD
16:20 brainy felixonmars, lol ok
16:21 brainy No problem, the download will take only 2 days at the current speed :D
16:21 Socrates_0 It's a beautiful distro - with Slow Repos, a few UI bugs (for me at least, minor)
16:21 Socrates_0 brainy: yes... chinese servers?
16:21 felixonmars (when we talked about new tags on the new year eve...
16:21 felixonmars (and i said i already packaged them out
16:21 brainy yea
16:21 felixonmars (that's where it leaked xD
16:21 brainy oops felixonmars ok never noticed :D
16:22 brainy Yes Socrates_0 chinese
16:25 Socrates_0 switching back to w.10 - nice OS but not polished yet, it needs some work done
16:26 Socrates_0 Website needs to be finished...
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16:37 brainy Welcome back Socrates_0 :)
16:37 brainy Back on Windows 10?
16:38 Socrates_0 Yeah... I'm attempting to change to linux though. Need a reliable, non-slugish distro
16:39 brainy There are plenty
16:39 Socrates_0 I have mainly tried mainstream distros (like: ubuntu, mint, opensuse (and flavors))
16:39 Socrates_0 true...
16:39 brainy Yes, mint is great, I'm using it right now
16:39 Socrates_0 Actually I have an old HDD in my system, that I don't really use - so I'll install it there
16:40 brainy Good idea
16:40 Socrates_0 17.3? What's the difference between cinnamon & mate... cinnamon has more functionality?
16:41 brainy I haven't figured that out yet, they both were made to look and feel the same, I think Cinnamon is based on Gnome 3 and Mate on the old Gnome 2
16:42 brainy The menus looka bit different though, probably some more functions available on Cinnamon
16:43 brainy Your PC is old Socrates_0 ?
16:45 brainy Anyway, I would go with Cinnamon, looks more modern
17:13 Socrates_0 brainy, i3-2100, 4gb 1333, hd5750 - it's 5yo but good
17:14 brainy Socrates_0, sounds good to me :D
17:15 Socrates_0 it's cool ^_^
17:16 Socrates_0 I can pretty much use any flavor of linux I like with no hickups (at least if i manage to configure it well)
17:17 brainy Socrates_0, is there any software that you would depend on that is only available on Windows and doesn't work with Wine?
17:19 brainy Oh great, I just found out there is a version of Viber available for Linux :D
17:19 brainy Nice for convenient voice calls
17:19 Socrates_0 brainy, not really... except skype (which has stopped on 4.3 on linux)
17:19 brainy oh..
17:19 Socrates_0 I use xaamp and MySQL workbench
17:20 Socrates_0 The windows Drive is mainly for games & my father -
17:20 Socrates_0 I did a quick check of my programs & pretty much everything can run natively on a Linux distro
17:21 brainy Yeah, gaming can be an issue on Linux :(
17:21 brainy Socrates_0, that's great!
17:21 Socrates_0 I run Ubuntu 14.04 for 3 months - when I wasn't playing anything... then I decided to try some other flavors as well
17:21 brainy Luckily the only game I play is 13 years old and it works perfectly with Wine on Linux xD
17:22 Socrates_0 tbh I'm stopping gaming xD (or reducing it very much)
17:22 brainy haha ok
17:22 brainy Socrates_0, which is your favorite distribution so far?
17:22 Socrates_0 hmm... note that I'm not as experienced like other people...
17:23 Socrates_0 but I could say Debian-flavors (ubuntu, mint... etc), openSUSE...
17:23 brainy Cool
17:24 Socrates_0 Debian because it has a large selection of packages and is widely used (meaning for me that bugs are usually quickly eliminated)
17:24 Socrates_0 opensuse for Yast... xP
17:24 brainy Exactly, and you can find solutions for debian related problems online very quickly, and yes Yast is one of a kind :D
17:25 Socrates_0 have used 'kali' & 'tails' on live usb...
17:25 Socrates_0 I tend to think that most mainstream distros are pretty much the same for the common folk
17:27 brainy Yes
17:28 brainy I have stopped switching distros, its mostly just a waste of time
17:28 brainy Just pick one and be happy :D
17:28 brainy That's my credo
17:30 Socrates_0 ^ *claps*
17:31 brainy xD
17:31 Socrates_0 brainy, I've seen many people use Arch... and I guess it's 'cause of the pac.manager - and the upstream (or whatever it's called)
17:32 brainy felixonmars is an Arch fanatic btw xD
17:32 Socrates_0 I'm really eager to learn more about linux - the inner workings - and was thinking to also install arch
17:33 Socrates_0 (while I disconnect my other drives xD)
17:37 brainy :D
17:39 brainy I have used Linux for yeeears and it's always been a love/hate relationship, but I really came to appreciate the simplicity of Linux, no tons of useless apps running in the background like on Windows that need constant attention and eat my CPU/bandwidth
17:40 brainy Everything is simple, and it works :D
17:48 Socrates_0 brainy, agree on that one - plus no ad spying, no autoupdates labeled 0x124e10 (System security) and other weird stuff
17:49 brainy Yeah :D
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17:49 amaroq haro
17:50 amaroq Is deepin for the old and the new hardware?
17:50 amaroq is it coming with light wimdow mangager?
17:50 Socrates_0 amaroq, depends?
17:50 amaroq i have an old dell inspiron 530 core-duo
17:51 Socrates_0 le me check the specs
17:51 amaroq thank you
17:52 Socrates_0 amaroq, in the meantime take a look @ http://distrowatch.com/tab​le.php?distribution=deepin (the packages)
17:53 amaroq to be clear, its core2-duo, still abotu 10 years old?
17:53 Socrates_0 2gb of ram?
17:53 Socrates_0 it's a desktop right?
17:53 amaroq yes
17:54 Socrates_0 I'd try something with xfce, lxde...
17:54 amaroq hrmmm.... i thought so. But they so ugly, lol
17:54 Socrates_0 They 're fairly simple-looking?
17:54 amaroq yea, old-skool
17:55 Socrates_0 You could give Deepin a try - it's a very beautiful OS (UI-wise)
17:55 amaroq i see that, but that's why i asking
17:55 Socrates_0 But the servers are a little slow & you might find a couple minor bugs
17:55 amaroq buggy, still?
17:55 Socrates_0 minor
17:55 Socrates_0 very minor
17:56 amaroq very minor is ok, right?
17:56 Socrates_0 yes :p (nothing to worry about) - it's UI related (it doesnt brake anything)
17:56 amaroq but if its resource and processor hungry i maybe use lighter older os
17:56 amaroq like Ubuntu is a monster
17:56 Socrates_0 if you have the time try it out...
17:56 amaroq btw, why change to Debian now?
17:57 Socrates_0 I don't know... :p
17:57 amaroq so many developpers make for ubuntu first
17:57 amaroq ok
17:57 Socrates_0 You want an OS for daily use? movies/songs/internet/messaging...
17:58 amaroq sure... i think all linux distros are same in that regard
17:58 amaroq just simple things
17:58 Socrates_0 and you want it to be light
17:58 Socrates_0 still on 2gb of ram?
17:59 amaroq I'm not even sure what ram this has, because I just got the machine... but probably - not more than 2gb maybe 1gb?? it is like 10 years old right; inspiron 530s ?
17:59 Socrates_0 Stock - it has 2gb
17:59 amaroq I see windows vista label on it, lol
17:59 brainy amaroq, I'm not sure if 2 gb will be enough for Deepin :S
17:59 Socrates_0 Personally, I wouldn't suggest Deepin (at least not now) - try an xfce, lxde 32bit
18:00 amaroq ok, guys - thanks
18:00 Socrates_0 well, on chrome/hexchat and a couple other apps it used 1.2gb of ram
18:00 Socrates_0 sooo yeah :p
18:00 amaroq wow
18:00 amaroq chrome is hungry
18:01 Socrates_0 if not mistaked... (i was kinda multitasking)
18:01 Socrates_0 I think w/ out chrome it was on 550 or 600 ram
18:02 brainy yeah...firefox would consume the same i think
18:02 brainy Them browses have become so resource hungry
18:02 brainy browsers*
18:02 Socrates_0 little less maybe
18:03 brainy Yep
18:03 Socrates_0 amaroq, do u have installed anything on it?
18:03 amaroq no, its empty
18:04 brainy Well giving it a try won't hurt then, but the download is very slow, my download still hasn't finished for 3 hours :D
18:04 Socrates_0 the 32bit is cool - from MEGA
18:05 Socrates_0 Are you familiar with Linux? (as in partioning)
18:05 Socrates_0 https://mega.nz/#F!I0VXSbCL!4wmXM77d30bq0tKJOmjeJw
18:05 Socrates_0 I'd still suggest xUbuntu though...
18:06 amaroq thannks
18:06 Socrates_0 But give #linux a try
18:06 amaroq supose can try
18:06 brainy amaroq, have you tried Linux Lite? It's low on resources and still looks nice
18:07 Socrates_0 Give them your specs
18:07 amaroq maybe, Mint with xfce...
18:07 Socrates_0 Aah yes - Lite is a good option
18:07 Socrates_0 Mint as well
18:07 brainy Yep
18:07 amaroq i used bodhi before but e17 kinda cartoonish
18:08 Socrates_0 amaroq, http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lite
18:08 amaroq thanks
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18:16 amaroq ok, must go... bye for now
18:16 Socrates_0 amaroq, take care
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18:51 brainy see you Socrates_0
18:51 Socrates_0 brainy, c ya!
20:06 metak felixonmars: hey felix, you there? ;-)
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20:36 Socrates_0 metak, this channel is kinda dead...
20:42 metak hello socrates ;-)

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