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IRC log for #deepin, 2016-01-20

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02:24 brainy hi
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06:01 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] grr..
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06:02 tuna-user hello, world!
06:02 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] positive. it works.
06:02 tuna-user (wheeeeeeeeeee)
06:03 tuna-user personally i would like the thing to display tg usernames though.. #a2_todo
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06:04 tuna-user Will anyone run something like lisa or lqybot here actually? Or varia.
06:05 tuna-user I really need a ping-back bot..
06:06 Arthur2e5 will anyone actually run some echo-bot on #deepin?
06:06 Arthur2e5 it sounds weird but I really need something to make sure my tgbridge is running well..
06:06 Arthur2e5 ....grrr wrong group
06:07 deepin-bot [fasheng]: echo-bot? not yet here ;)
06:07 Arthur2e5 0.0
06:07 Arthur2e5 where do you come from fasheng..
06:08 Arthur2e5 sometimes I get quite confused about which networks these bots connect to.
06:08 Arthur2e5 ah.. actually.. I can change the bot config so it omits the usernames for all the bridge bots..
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06:09 Arthur2e5 yes!
06:10 Arthur2e5 and I added my name to the prefix-free 'bridge bot' list jajajajaja
06:12 fasheng_ :P
06:13 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] :D
06:13 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] (我真需要有人按着我的头让我写作文)
06:18 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] ping
06:24 deepin-tgbridge [Carlo] 按
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08:03 zlatan hi deeping folks :)
08:04 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] Carlo: ……真悲伤我还在
08:04 zlatan so just technical advice (as I installed deepin yesterday on one of laptops)
08:05 zlatan you should use something like http(s) redirector (Debian has it) to point to nearest/best mirror according to geolocation of person
08:05 fasheng hi, zlatan
08:06 zlatan because until I fixed my sources.list with mirror that I thought is good enough, it didn't even worked (regarding updates, installation of software)
08:06 zlatan fasheng, hi
08:06 deepin-tgbridge [Mingye Wang] like mirrorbrain?
08:13 zlatan deepin-tgbridge, http://httpredir.debian.org/
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09:22 deepin-bot [snyh]:  1.  Don't modify the sources.list .  see https://github.com/linuxdeepin/lastore-d​aemon/blob/master/deepin_repository.org (zh-cn only) >  2.  We will use tools like https://github.com/apenwarr/netselect to help people (show the tips in dde-control-center) find the best mirrors (But the decision is made by you)
09:23 deepin-bot [snyh]:  3. What's http redirector ?
09:37 deepin-bot [snyh]:  I find the httpredir.debian.org .   I will evaluate it latter.  Thanks for the information.
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11:26 hualet_deepin zlatan ohms360 , hi :D
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11:37 zlatan hi hualet_deepin
11:38 hualet_deepin zlatan: we saw your suggestion, snyh replied but you've gone :(
11:38 zlatan hualet_deepin, just cp me here again
11:39 zlatan also I think you need to include by default plymouth-themes otherwise every new kernel will cry during initramfs rebuild :)
11:39 hualet_deepin [snyh]:  1.  Don't modify the sources.list .  see https://github.com/linuxdeepin/lastore-d​aemon/blob/master/deepin_repository.org (zh-cn only) >  2.  We will use tools like https://github.com/apenwarr/netselect to help people (show the tips in dde-control-center) find the best mirrors (But the decision is made by you)
11:39 Vivians ↑ Title: lastore-daemon/deepin_repository.org at master · linuxdeepin/lastore-daemon · GitHub
11:39 hualet_deepin [snyh]:  3. What's http redirector ?
11:40 hualet_deepin [snyh]:  I find the httpredir.debian.org .   I will evaluate it latter.  Thanks for the information.
11:40 zlatan okay, yes, so basically what is on httpredir.debian.org is what you should implement
11:41 hualet_deepin zlatan: need to leave for a moment, sorry
11:41 zlatan k
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11:42 Vivians welcome, leaeasy :-\
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11:46 Vivians hi, cuihao -_-
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12:45 Vivians hi, sbw :)
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12:55 Vivians hi, bobo___ :P
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13:21 Vivians hello, brainy -_-
13:21 brainy hi Vivians
13:21 Vivians hi brainy
13:25 brainy hi Vivians
13:25 Vivians hi brainy
13:42 fasheng OK, we have a echo-bot now ;)
13:42 brainy :D
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13:51 Vivians hello, APINAPOIKAMIES :)
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13:59 Vivians how are you, hualet :-/
14:00 brainy lol
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14:02 Vivians hi, leaeasy :)
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14:13 Vivians hey, hualet :-/
14:15 brainy hi hualet :-/
14:15 hualet brainy: hi :-/
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14:15 Vivians hi, bobo___ -_-
14:16 hualet we all adopt the emotions Vivians've learnt :P
14:16 Vivians we all adopt the emotions hualet've learnt :P
14:17 hualet Vivians: you stupid bot
14:17 Vivians hualet: you stupid bot
14:17 hualet -_-
14:18 brainy lool
14:19 brainy hualet, do you use WeChat on your phone?
14:20 hualet brainy: yeah, do you use wechat ?
14:21 brainy hualet, I am trying but I have the old symbian version, it says connection problems
14:21 brainy So I wonder either the version is too old or there are connection problems for all people
14:21 brainy Do you have problems sometimes connecting?
14:21 bobo___ Hi Vivians
14:21 Vivians Hi bobo___
14:21 hualet brainy: nope
14:21 brainy hualet, ok then my version is out-of-date
14:22 hualet bobo___: it's just a stupid bot, leave it alone :D
14:22 hualet brainy: yeah, if I remember right the symbian version is out of date long time ago
14:23 bobo___ ^_^
14:23 hualet brainy: why don't you just update your phone ?
14:23 hualet I mean since Android phones are all that cheap, right ?
14:24 brainy hualet, I am a die-hard symbian fan :D
14:24 hualet They'll bring you into a whole new world, think about it
14:24 brainy I will use Symbian until the year 2100 or longer :D
14:24 hualet but symbian is really dead, man
14:24 brainy Yeah :/
14:25 hualet no app vendors update their apps for it now
14:25 brainy only whatsapp still does
14:25 hualet really ?
14:25 brainy yep
14:26 hualet haha, great company
14:26 brainy hualet, my first smartphone was Symbian in 2002, I have very nostalgic feelings, but you are right , I might get an Android phone soon
14:26 brainy xD
14:27 hualet brainy: you just made the right choice :D
14:27 brainy haha
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14:28 Vivians how are you, fasheng :-\
14:29 brainy hi fasheng :-\
14:35 bobo___ Which app do you guys recommend for IRC on linux? I use Hexchat right now.
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14:43 Vivians hi, hualet :)
14:44 hualet bobo___: I think HexChat is good enough
14:44 hualet and I use HexChat on linux too :D
14:49 brainy HexChat/X-Chat/Pidgin
14:49 brainy You can even use mIRC with wine
14:51 bobo___ Okay. Thanks, haulet, brany
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14:55 Vivians welcome, zlatan :P
14:55 zlatan this bot is crazy
14:55 brainy lol
14:55 brainy hi zlatan , how do you like your new Deepin 15 ?
14:56 zlatan brainy, I am a Debian user and developer :)
14:56 zlatan but I already gave some technical remarks here about it
14:56 zlatan on the user side
14:56 zlatan I like new ideas, they seem to have nice desktop concept
14:56 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: Deepin is debian infact, with beautiful and easy to use DE. ;)
14:56 zlatan but also it is the least responsive desktop I used :)
14:57 zlatan yeah, I know it is Debian based :)
14:57 zlatan I called you to join Debian Derivatives Census status
14:57 zlatan :)
14:57 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: I look forward debian will use Deepin desktop as default someday.
14:57 zlatan that could be true, but it needs to work a lot to get into same position as KDE and GNOME
14:58 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: Derek, lilongyu and fasheng has work on it. ;)
14:58 zlatan yes, in contact with many (all) of you :)
14:58 zlatan I am looking forward to deepin packages in debian :)
14:58 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: Yes, we need do better if we want push package to debian repo. ;)
14:59 zlatan yes, I am giving some advices and checking packages :)
14:59 zlatan you should all join on DebConf this year (I will probably send you some info once you put yourself into census)
14:59 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: Many deepin packages is not good enough with debian standard.
14:59 brainy zlatan, how is the DE not responsive in your opinion? Just curious
15:00 zlatan don't worry, that'w why me and other Debian people are here - to raise the quality bar :)
15:00 zlatan brainy, well it could and should be more but it is not bad
15:01 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: DebConf can held on China? South Africa is too far for Deepin.
15:01 zlatan DebConf can be held in China too, you need to bid for it if you want to held (deepin team could probably bid for it)
15:02 zlatan brainy, being based on Qt toolkit means that they should be at least responsive as KDE but probably try to be better
15:03 zlatan also Qt is evolving all the time
15:03 deepin-bot [manateelazycat]:  zlatan: We still in start-up, if DebConf held in China, we can bid for it.
15:04 zlatan so DebConf's are again done by volunteers from that country (of course they get help and advice from Debian Developers and Debian community)
15:04 zlatan so this year is in SA
15:05 zlatan for the next year currently are bidding Prague (Czech Republic) and Montreal (Canada)
15:07 brainy What are those meetings for? Sorry I'm a newbie with this
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15:08 Vivians hello,  :)
15:08 * andy`` Take emacs rcirc to talk. ;)
15:09 brainy crazy n:D
15:10 andy`` zlatan: We have many engineers in Deepin works for Debian, how we need to do make those engineers become debian developer?
15:11 andy`` hualet: Looks you have got op. ;)
15:11 zlatan andy``, so the process is by maintaining packages for some time
15:11 zlatan also you need to get at least two debian developer signatures on your GPG key
15:12 zlatan after some time of creating high-quality packages you decide (or I advice) to join the Debian New Member process
15:12 zlatan there you get Application Manager who will question you in the process
15:12 zlatan it start with philosophy and procedures for Debian
15:13 zlatan and after that you do it well you go to technical part
15:13 andy`` zlatan: I see.
15:13 zlatan finish all good AM sends notice to Account Manager and they proceed with checking and create you a debian account
15:13 zlatan so basically going to DebConf should be important step in choosing that (because of the keysigning party)
15:14 zlatan but you can maintain packages for a year and once you and your sponsor feel comfortable with quality of your packages you just go and find at least 2 DDs for the signing
15:15 zlatan brainy, DebConf are for meetings where Debian developers and its community meet to discuss about -Debian development of course
15:15 zlatan but it is also a lot of fun time (I have sang karaoke for 10 hours this year until 7am with Werner Koch (the GPG creator))
15:15 brainy ah ok, thanks zlatan for info
15:16 brainy lool karaoke, nice man
15:16 zlatan yea, my first and probably last time :)
15:16 zlatan andy``, btw, AFAIK there are DDs in China
15:20 andy`` zlatan: All DDs in China i have meet them.
15:21 andy`` zlatan: Such as: Li DaoBing, Aron Xu, Su YunQiang
15:21 zlatan so get your keys signed if you already didn't! :)
15:22 zlatan there is also a Debian Maintainer title
15:22 zlatan but I always advise going to Debian Developer status right away
15:23 andy`` Infact, those two of DDs works in Deepin before.
15:24 andy`` zlatan: I found many debian policies make deepin afraid to join debian community.
15:24 zlatan andy``, such as?
15:25 andy`` zlatan: Deepin is focus on create new applications/desktop environment/low-level libraries to change zoology of linux desktop.
15:25 andy`` zlatan: Infact, we have many developers from debian/arch/gentoo, but we much not like traditional linux community.
15:26 zlatan so what troubles you see in Debian policies?
15:26 andy`` zlatan: We like create high-quality applications and technology, not just maintain package from upstream.
15:26 zlatan yep, I know that and that is awesome - your own packages can be native to debian :)
15:28 andy`` zlatan: Infact, not just debian, almost all linux distribution (sorry, i don't want to offend), we tried we need speed all time of developer to maintain package and nothing to do with improve quality of software.
15:29 andy`` zlatan: All softwares of deepin is design from normal user's point, we want design and code it if user said something is not good for life or vs with Windows or Mac.
15:29 zlatan so by default, maintaining the package is already raising your quality - you get all the lintian checks (it checks even source code for integration) and you learn to properly integrate it into your system so it doesn't get into disaster situation
15:30 zlatan also you get 20+ years of superb practices developed by thousand of experts from all over the world
15:30 zlatan you get the constant feedback from mixed community - hackers and users
15:31 andy`` zlatan: IMO, so many linux distribution just re-package from upstream, and don't care user's report, most of distriction developer more care how new of technology and package version.
15:32 zlatan yes,most distributions are made by a single person (because it is easy to fork debian)
15:32 zlatan it is good to see deepin trying new stuff
15:32 zlatan that is why I invited you
15:32 andy`` zlatan: IMO, mixed community from hackers is not enough for modern users.
15:33 zlatan debian has really mixed community - hackers are mostly developers, but we have millions of users worldwide using it for everyday tasks they need
15:33 zlatan so you will get attention - trust me on that
15:33 zlatan and you will get a lot of testing
15:33 zlatan and you will get a lot of bug reports
15:33 andy`` zlatan: Like Android, like windows and mac, they build so many high-quality software to make world better (though those OS is not open like linux)
15:33 zlatan I agree with you, and that's why I am eager about your work :)
15:34 andy`` zlatan: Sorry, i point is perhaps is much different with traditional linux developer.
15:34 * andy`` Though i'm emacs developer and haskell developer before.
15:35 zlatan I am for sure not a traditional developer, I am proponent of high-quality end-user software that has excellent integration and UI/UX :)
15:36 andy`` zlatan: We even have a plan to build in-depend package format for desktop-applications, core of OS is base on Debian, all applications is use in-dependent package format to avoid many applications use same dependent.
15:37 deepin-bot [snyh]:  zlatan: I'have read the way httpredir in http://httpredir.debian.org/   . And I think the way of deepin is more good than httpredir.  > zlatan: The core idea of deepin is  auto choose mirror is not the best one espciall
15:37 Vivians ↑ Title: Debian mirrors HTTP redirector
15:37 zlatan snyh, so redirector not only choose the fastest mirror but also the most fresh mirror
15:38 andy`` zlatan: IMO, dependent design is very nice for server develop and maintain, but is suck for linux desktop.
15:38 zlatan andy``, take a look at Limba project (made by debian developer)
15:38 deepin-bot [snyh]:  zlatan: https://github.com/linuxdeepin/lastore-d​aemon/blob/master/deepin_repository.org  In this way, We make sure the mirror is 100% fresh.
15:38 Vivians ↑ Title: lastore-daemon/deepin_repository.org at master · linuxdeepin/lastore-daemon · GitHub
15:38 deepin-bot [snyh]:  I will translate it in English.
15:39 andy`` zlatan: We build smart-mirror to choose mirror that has synchronous for update safely.
15:39 zlatan snyh, AFAIK that is what redirector is doing to (and I using it for some time ~2 years and it really is good)
15:39 zlatan s/to/too
15:40 andy`` zlatan: Anyway, we will try to push deepin package to debian community with debian's package policy and quality.
15:40 andy`` zlatan: All of above just my point that how deepin will move in the future.
15:41 zlatan andy``, that is why debian exists, to give you the base, you choice your direction with our stability
15:41 zlatan you will also get feedback on that and who knows, maybe you prove that is the better way and debian will surely adapt
15:42 zlatan andy``, http://people.freedesktop.org/~mak/limba/
15:42 Vivians ↑ Title: Limba Project - Home
15:43 andy`` zlatan: We're build in-dependent format for applications, we hope this technology can help debian more better in linux desktop.
15:43 andy`` zlatan: Thanks, i'm reading.
15:45 zlatan also read https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps
15:45 andy`` zlatan: Limba is not deepin want.
15:45 Vivians ↑ Title: Projects/SandboxedApps - GNOME Wiki!
15:45 andy`` zlatan: We do some research on xdg-app with btrfs for applications package format.
15:45 andy`` zlatan: Infact, I don't think AppStream is good design for normal user.
15:46 zlatan andy``, I really want you to share that points to upstream and on Debian devel lists!
15:46 zlatan btw, do you plan to port your environment and apss to wayland?
15:47 andy`` zlatan: IMO, PackageKit like projects is just good for command-line environment, but suck for graphics-design situation, such as software center.
15:48 andy`` zlatan: All desktop environment and applications write in Qt5-Widget and Qt5-QML.
15:48 andy`` zlatan: So it's really easy to port wayland, since qt5 has support different backend.
15:49 zlatan okay, great
15:49 zlatan btw, share your thoughts in blog and on debian lists (and upstream of course)
15:49 zlatan btw I like your software center
15:50 andy`` zlatan: Only obstacles we move to wayland is we think wayland is not good enough for video-card driver, since many driver still base on X11 GL.
15:50 zlatan andy``, it will be done for it (even much better then X)
15:50 zlatan also the Vulkan is arriving so video card part will improve a lot for drivers
15:51 zlatan and AMD is committing it into open source driver (intel too, only nvidia sucks)
15:51 andy`` zlatan: We will port to wayland until wayland driver finish (yes, nvidia is suck)
15:52 zlatan wayland will be in really good shape (fedora is trying to push that hard so a lot of manpower will be on that)
15:52 andy`` zlatan: We won't move to wayland and reason is we don't want normal user can't login in system after switch wayland.
15:52 zlatan hm, for login wayland shouldn't have any problems already
15:53 andy`` zlatan: All developing work of deepin is focus on normal user, we like new technology (such as use golang to develop DE), but we won't use new technology if it not good enough for normal user.
15:53 andy`` zlatan: User can't login in if user install nividia driver, AFAIK
15:54 zlatan that is why nvidia proprietary driver sucks and not wayland :)
15:54 zlatan btw, normal users even don't know what they run (in sense of language) so you can develop it in haskell as far as they are concerned
15:55 andy`` zlatan: We very happy move to wayland once all video-driver works well with wayland, but you know, it's does not depend on us. Maybe Steam will change those...
15:56 zlatan of course, and I am not saying you should move to products that are not ready
15:56 zlatan it was more as future based question
15:58 andy`` zlatan: I don't want post my thoughts in blog, since i really tired a pointless quarrel with community developers. IMO, linux problem is talk is so many, but real product is so less. All developers in linux community spend all of they time on "which technology is better!!!", such as emacs and vi, gtk and qt, gnome and kde.
15:59 andy`` zlatan: Yes, we will move to wayland in the future, that's we plan.
16:00 andy`` zlatan: As developers, i think wayland is much better than X11, and much faster.
16:01 andy`` zlatan: Sorry, i talk so much tonight. ;)
16:01 zlatan for me it is still daylight :D
16:01 andy`` ah? ;)
16:01 zlatan I understand your thoughts
16:01 zlatan I am in Europe :)
16:01 andy`` zlatan: cool.
16:02 andy`` zlatan: All developer of deepin is dream, we hope use we code and product to change world, make everybody (not just developer) love linux!
16:02 andy`` s/dream/dreamer
16:03 Giraffe_ andy good goals :)
16:03 andy`` Giraffe_: Thanks!
16:03 Giraffe_ (havent gotten around to installing deepin yet though :( )
16:03 brainy Deepin is not a dream, Deepin is reality ;)
16:04 zlatan andy``, I agree, I have the same goal :)
16:04 andy`` Giraffe_: Any problem with installing?
16:04 Giraffe_ havent tried yet
16:04 Giraffe_ Just havent had time
16:04 Giraffe_ (I need my laptop to be stable for the next week or so)
16:05 andy`` zlatan: I dream someday hackers and artists can work together, build new community, not just technology, more about design and  human nature
16:06 andy`` Giraffe_: Please post here if have any problem about Deepin, we will help you as soon as possible. ;)
16:06 Giraffe_ thanks
16:07 Giraffe_ Am curious, fedora partitioned one drive for me into  the /boot, /swap, etc
16:07 Giraffe_ Does deepin? Or do I need to make four partitions?
16:07 Giraffe_ (won’t stop me from installing, just dont want to make unnecessary partitions)
16:07 andy`` Giraffe_: No, Deepin installer just need one participation default
16:08 andy`` Giraffe_: We have two mode in deepin installer.
16:08 andy`` Giraffe_: Default one is "simple mode", you just need click any participation you want, then click "install" button, that's all.
16:09 zlatan andy``, yes, I have pretty much same vision
16:09 andy`` Giraffe_: If you're linux power user, you can click "advanced mode" to build your own partitions like other linux distributions.
16:10 Giraffe_ awesome thanks
16:10 andy`` Giraffe_: Deepin installers is simplest linux installer, you can install it easier than windows even you don't have any linux knowledge.
16:10 deepin-bot [snyh]:  I have only 5% battery. :(
16:11 andy`` snyh: go sleep, you need sleep, you're too tired.
16:11 andy`` zlatan: snyh is CTO of deepin.
16:11 zlatan excellent!
16:12 deepin-bot [snyh]:  https://gist.github.com/snyh/3321c93c3ea310fc643f   I have share the simple idea
16:12 deepin-bot [snyh]:  zlatan
16:14 deepin-bot [snyh]:  simply say,  We don't believe server side way.
16:14 andy`` zlatan: You can reading https://gist.github.com/snyh/3321c93c3ea310fc643f to understand smart-mirror that use by deepin software center. ;)
16:16 * andy`` Need sleep now.
16:17 andy`` zlatan: I need sleep now, keep touch. ;)
16:17 * andy`` 00:16 AM now in China.
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16:22 brainy Hi Vivians
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17:51 brainy hi Karbowiak
17:54 Karbowiak hello
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18:06 brainy hi arunpyasi my bro
18:09 arunpyasi hi brainy brother :D
18:09 arunpyasi how are you bro ?
18:09 arunpyasi brainy: bro, is very very cold here man :(
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18:17 brainy arunpyasi, I hope your home is warm man
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18:29 brainy arunpyasi, whats the temperature right now?
18:36 arunpyasi brainy: 8 degree Celsius currently bro !
18:36 arunpyasi brainy: whats temperature there?
18:37 brainy arunpyasi, right now -4° C, bro
18:37 brainy with some snow
18:42 arunpyasi wow man !! :( How are you staying bro ?
18:42 arunpyasi brainy: is winter vacation ?
18:42 brainy arunpyasi, not right now bro
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18:43 brainy arunpyasi, when you wear warm clothes, everything is fine ;)
18:43 arunpyasi ohh, so how are you guys working there ? brainy man, though I am wearning warm clothes, I am feeling cold :P
18:43 brainy but if you go out with a t-shirt, you will have a problem :D
18:44 arunpyasi yeah
18:44 brainy haha
18:48 arunpyasi brainy: bro, its raining since whole day here. :P
18:49 brainy arunpyasi, so you can't go outside right?
18:55 arunpyasi brainy: yeah bro..
18:55 arunpyasi and its late night too :D
18:59 brainy ok arunpyasi , don't forget your umbrella please xD
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