Camelia, the Perl 6 bug

IRC log for #deepin, 2016-03-05

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13:42 brainy hi hualet and hualet_deepin
13:43 brainy :))
13:43 hualet hi brainy and brainy :D
13:43 brainy haha
13:46 felixonmars hi hualet and hualet_deepin and brainy and brainy
13:47 hualet hi felix
13:47 hualet how's your day ? felixonmars brainy
13:47 felixonmars hualet: not bad at work xD
13:47 felixonmars and we finally disabled sslv3. we waited for too long already.
13:48 hualet the deepin side or the online-house-renting side ? :P
13:48 brainy hi felixonmars xD
13:48 hualet felixonmars: what do you mean by saying "disabled sslv3" ?
13:50 brainy no more security?
13:50 felixonmars hualet: nah, the arch side xD
13:50 felixonmars brainy: no, more security xD
13:51 brainy xD
13:51 felixonmars https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/pack​ages.git/commit/trunk?h=packages/openssl&amp​;id=4b82ed4285c7cb76caf6d75a015c5a7542c625d1
13:51 felixonmars we added "no-ssl3 no-ssl3-method"
13:52 brainy what are the disadvantages of sslv3?
13:52 felixonmars ssl3 is obsolete and cancer to the TLS ecosystem
13:52 brainy right i read about that
13:52 felixonmars xD
14:04 hualet felixonmars: I saw someone in #archlinux encountered some problem with xorg
14:05 felixonmars hualet: oh, which kind of problem?
14:06 hualet about dwm cause xorg can not be started correctly
14:06 felixonmars dwm :/
14:07 hualet I didn't follow, so I don't know whether it's solved or not
14:07 felixonmars doesn't seem solvex
14:07 felixonmars *d
14:07 hualet you checked the log ?
14:07 felixonmars no, i just tried to follow the chat log
14:08 hualet oh, yeah, I mean the chat log :D
14:14 brainy hualet, did you go to the dentist?!
14:14 brainy Everthing ok now?
14:15 hualet felixonmars: one more thing, libglvnd-* packages don't exist in debian repository xD
14:15 hualet https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-​bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=812530
14:15 Vivians hualet, ↑ Title: #812530 - ITP: libglvnd -- Vendor-neutral OpenGL dispatch layer - Debian Bug report logs
14:16 hualet brainy: yeah, without any hesitation
14:16 hualet I've had the bad teeth pulled out
14:17 felixonmars hualet: i know, i know.
14:17 felixonmars it would be a problem for debian, though
14:17 felixonmars because they are included as part of the nvidia driver
14:17 felixonmars and actually i think splitting them is a good idea
14:18 felixonmars upstream even recommends me to always stick to the latest git master
14:18 felixonmars so we can get their fix earlier
14:18 felixonmars nvidia has a somewhat slow schedule to push new drivers
14:18 hualet you mean we've already got the *.sos ?
14:18 felixonmars yes
14:19 felixonmars they are included in 361.xx drivers
14:19 hualet oh. shit
14:19 felixonmars and the old method will be removed in any version higher than 361
14:19 felixonmars so you'll run into libglvnd problems sooner or later, anyway :P
14:19 hualet what will the ABI change influence ?
14:19 felixonmars BREAK THE WORLD
14:20 felixonmars no, kidding
14:20 felixonmars at least they'll break GL programs if not dealt with peace
14:21 felixonmars and you'll have to reconsider bumblebee support at that point
14:21 felixonmars because they'll be unsupported very soon
14:21 felixonmars so our laptop users will have a bad time...
14:22 hualet what will arch do ?
14:23 felixonmars we'll drop bumblebee when it's unsupported
14:23 hualet I mean what will you do to the ABI break ?
14:23 felixonmars i'm still discussing this with their developers
14:24 hualet other graphic driver vendor's have supported the standard ?
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14:25 felixonmars yes they have. and some work is going on in mesa
14:25 felixonmars i won't be surprised if libglvnd will become a dependency of mesa in mid-2016
14:26 brainy hi bobo123 xD
14:26 bobo123 Hi brainy
14:26 bobo123 How are you, man
14:27 brainy fine and you bro?
14:28 bobo123 great
14:28 brainy are you at the university?
14:28 bobo123 I am at my second year. It is a long time before my graduation.
14:29 hualet felixonmars: sounds like a big move
14:29 bobo123 How about you? brainy
14:29 brainy bobo123, nice man
14:29 felixonmars hualet: yep. and amd's blob driver will support it, too
14:29 bobo123 hi hualet felixonmars
14:30 felixonmars hualet: we won't need no alternatives to libGL no more
14:30 felixonmars hi bobo123
14:31 felixonmars hualet: you'll have to consider how to gracefully upgrade our bumblebee users xD
14:31 hualet hi bobo123
14:31 felixonmars it's a hard situation now.
14:31 hualet felixonmars: I'll take your advices :D
14:31 felixonmars with nvidia optimus - no gpu switching support.
14:31 felixonmars with nouveau and prime: slow, and no power-saving
14:32 felixonmars to disable one card in BIOS - of course it's not a gracefully move for the user
14:32 felixonmars hualet: and you'll have to choose from the three!
14:32 hualet laycat won't agree on that
14:32 hualet he will prefer wait for some time I think :D
14:33 felixonmars then you'll probably stuck with some old stuff
14:33 felixonmars as i understand debian will move on from it
14:33 felixonmars and you'll lose support for any new laptops
14:33 felixonmars because new nvidia drivers will be based on libglvnd anyway
14:37 hualet felixonmars: please let me know if you guys have made the choice, I'll let our package managers be hold :P
14:39 felixonmars hualet: arch won't make a choice, though
14:39 felixonmars we'll tell our users everything, and it's up to them :P
14:40 hualet :(
14:42 felixonmars don't worry, we'll find a way xD
14:43 hualet I want to talk to you face to face :D
14:47 felixonmars sure xD
14:51 brainy Skype?
14:52 brainy That's the most face-to-face it can get!
14:52 felixonmars nah, physically
14:53 brainy ah ok xD
14:53 brainy I forgot you guys live 2 blocks away from each other
14:54 felixonmars xD
14:54 hualet but I'm not sure if I can talk freely when you get time xD
14:54 felixonmars like sundays? xD
14:55 hualet felixonmars: absolutely not OK :(
14:56 felixonmars :(
14:56 hualet I need to evaluate the situation of my teeth first :D
14:57 felixonmars sure, take care of yourself :)
14:57 brainy xD
14:57 hualet I ate the first meal this three days for the first time :(
14:57 hualet this afternoon
14:58 hualet felixonmars: thanks for the concern :D
15:03 felixonmars :3
15:11 brainy wow 3 days without food!
15:17 brainy hualet, are you still breathing after such a time without any food? xD
15:18 jotapesse hello everyone
15:21 hualet brainy: no, don't misunderstand, I didn't take rice or noodles, I drank self-made drinks
15:21 hualet so I'm alive
15:21 hualet hi jotapesse
15:21 brainy ah ok I'm happy now :D
15:21 brainy hi jotapesse
15:22 jotapesse I must say... I didn't use IRC for quite some time... deepin brought me back :)
15:23 brainy haha nice :D
15:24 brainy it's interesting because #deepin is the least active of all channels xD
15:25 jotapesse probably. just a matter of priorities and free time.
15:25 brainy this channel is like people taking a seat in the cinema and sleeping there all day
15:25 brainy xD
15:25 jotapesse eheheh
15:26 jotapesse that's fine, small and peaceful ,nothing wrong with that :)
15:26 jotapesse friendly is also good
15:27 jotapesse I was just curious, is #deepin a more of a user oriented channel or developer oriented?
15:27 bobo123 hi jotapesse
15:31 hualet jotapesse: it meant to be a user oriented channel :D
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15:32 jotapesse trouble is nobody uses IRC these days, right? probably mostly developers
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15:33 brainy hualet, I suggest a short-cut on deepin desktop to this channel, what do you think??
15:33 brainy so after an installation people can see the link and join this channel
15:34 bobo123 brainy, +1
15:34 hualet brainy: If I remember it right, you've suggested that before
15:34 brainy haha thats right
15:34 brainy but nothing happened xD
15:34 jotapesse hum.. that's a nce idea, would require a pre-installed and pre-setup IRC client
15:35 jotapesse what's your favourite IRC client these days?
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15:41 brainy jotapesse, I am using x-chat and you?
15:41 jotapesse pidgin
15:48 brainy nice, just like felixonmars xD
15:54 jotapesse ok, probably not the best place to ask but let's see if any of you guys (any girls?) can help me
15:57 jotapesse anyone experienced in installing linux on an intel atom laptop/tablet hybrid?
15:59 bobo123 I installed LXLE on AUSU EeePC before.
16:00 bobo123 It has a very old atom cpu.
16:01 jotapesse Asus EeePC is easy nowdays, the hardware is well supported, trouble is the new atom with touchscreen models (tablets or hybrid laptops). I have deepin on my Asus EeePC1000H, no issues. :)
16:02 jotapesse I was hoping to install deepin on my new Asus T100 Chi
16:03 bobo123 Sorry. I have no experience on the new atom cpu
16:04 bobo123 I guess it depends on kernel.
16:04 jotapesse Yes, it seems the hardware driver support is still lacking, so I've read.
16:06 jotapesse mainly for the touch screen, sound and bluetooth (keyboard)
16:07 bobo123 As I konw, deepin hasn't supported touch screen offically.
16:08 bobo123 I am sure they will support it in future.
16:08 jotapesse I know, I wasn't looking for official support.
16:09 jotapesse Just asking if by any chance any of you would be experienced on it.
16:09 bobo123 :)
16:10 bobo123 If you can read chinese, I remeber someone installed it on tablet on the chinese forum.
16:11 jotapesse damn, my mandarin is awful these days :)
16:16 jotapesse anyway, thanks guys.
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