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IRC log for #deepin, 2016-07-04

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02:27 beeender 网易云音乐 1.0.0-1 好像又比较严重的内存泄露,是已知问题么?
02:30 deepin-bot [snyh]:  It's likely a unknown bug.
02:31 beeender 100% reproducible here. What kind of infomation can I supply to help?
02:36 deepin-bot [snyh]:  Can you report it at https://bugzilla.deepin.io/  with the reproduce steps.
02:36 beeender 1. Archlinux using aur package from https://aur.archlinux.org/pa​ckages/netease-cloud-music/ 2. It was updated from a previous version 3. The leaks happen even I am not playing any music 4. The local music scanning is in progress
02:36 felixonmars beeender: which distro?
02:36 beeender See above
02:36 felixonmars i see.
02:38 felixonmars why do you think the local music scanning is in progress? any console logs, or just cpu spike?
02:39 deepin-bot [snyh]:  Use strace -e open to detect whether it's in scanning ?
02:40 beeender the spinner is showing in the left panel's local music menu
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02:53 beeender_ created an issue https://bugzilla.deepin.io/show_bug.cgi?id=8041
02:53 beeender_ let me know more information is needed
02:54 felixonmars beeender_: some instructions from the developer: clean up ~/Music folder, rm ~/.config/netease-cloud-mus​ic/netease-cloud-music.ini, and don't add more folders to the local music menu, and see if the problem persists.
02:56 beeender_ `mv Music Music.bak` doesn't help
02:57 felixonmars did you also remove the ini file?
02:58 beeender_ `mv netease-cloud-music netease-cloud-music.bak` + `mv Music Music.bak` don't help either
03:01 felixonmars i see, i'll report back to the developer
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08:07 G-Ray HI !
08:07 G-Ray I tested deepin yesterday and was impressed by the software center!
08:08 G-Ray This is the best one I have ever seen on a linux distro. I use arch, so there is plenty of packages, but you guys, displayed them so that it's so easy to find and install them
08:09 G-Ray However, items were slow to fetch from the server, from France
08:11 deepin-bot [snyh]:   G-Ray:  what's the mirror server you use?  You can find it in control-center (trigger it show by move mouse to right corner)
08:11 G-Ray I selected one from GB IIRC
08:12 G-Ray screenshots and images are also fetched from the mirrors ?
08:12 deepin-bot [snyh]:   sorry, wha'ts meaning  GB ?
08:12 G-Ray Great Britain
08:13 deepin-bot [snyh]:  I get it now :)
08:14 deepin-bot [snyh]:  You select it by the timeout?  The control-center will show the timeout for you ( this is some little slow, you may be wait wait wait..)
08:15 G-Ray Images/screeshots are fetched from the mirrors too ?
08:15 deepin-bot [snyh]:  currently, it seems hasn't a France mirror server in our maintain mirror list.  (you can see the status every day from https://ci.deepin.io/view/Repos​/job/mirror_status/145/console)
08:15 G-Ray IIRC it was a fast server
08:15 deepin-bot [snyh]:   Badly say. No
08:16 G-Ray I think the images were fetched to load
08:16 deepin-bot [snyh]:    you meaning, the apt mirror server is OK.  But appstore server is too slow from France ?
08:17 G-Ray yes I think so
08:17 G-Ray Images and maybe metadata take too much time to be displayed
08:17 deepin-bot [snyh]:  the image server is on China without cdn.
08:17 G-Ray How can you offer so many packages ?
08:18 G-Ray Ok that's why it's too slow
08:18 deepin-bot [snyh]:  Could you help us test the timeout ?   (You can test it by browser you like. http://appstore.deepin.com/)
08:19 deepin-bot [snyh]:  All screenshot and description are create by our awesome fellow :)
08:20 G-Ray fellow ?
08:20 G-Ray I am always redirected to http://appstore.deepin.com/network_down.html
08:21 deepin-bot [snyh]:  yes,  fellow.  people works on deepin
08:22 G-Ray I can't see any app from appstore.deepin.com
08:22 G-Ray as I'm redirected to the url I pasted before
08:23 deepin-bot [snyh]:  Ok ,  There are seems some problems.
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08:24 deepin-bot [snyh]:  You can use deepin-appstore -d to luanch appstore .  and  trigger webkit's inspector by right click and select the proper item.
08:25 G-Ray I don't run deepin currently
08:25 G-Ray It was just to give it a test yesterday :)
08:26 G-Ray it was loading fine from the deepin-appstore, the problem is when I try to access appstore.deepin.com from my current computer with chromium/firefox
08:26 deepin-bot [snyh]:  I have't a deepin OS too y .  The city of Wuhan which the deepin core team live city  is in the flood  :(
08:27 G-Ray I'm sad to hear that :/
08:28 G-Ray So Overall I really like the User experience Deepin is building, but I don't like the fact that they ship with proprietary softwares by default
08:28 G-Ray Like chrome instead of chromium
08:28 G-Ray or the proprietary WPS software
08:29 G-Ray Advanced linux user embrace the open source philosophy, it would be great to get only open source softwares by default
08:30 deepin-bot [snyh]:  it's a trade-offs.
08:31 G-Ray What do you mean by a trade off ? WPS could be replaced by libreoffice
08:32 deepin-bot [snyh]:  there already have some many distro which follow the open source philosophy.   deepin just a distro which try to find a way for serveing more people based on linux
08:33 deepin-bot [snyh]:  the trade off meanings, some people like the default behavior of deepin, but some don't like.
08:33 hualet_deepin hi snyh, G-Ray ;)
08:34 deepin-bot [snyh]:  WPS is the default in Chinese version. not the international version.
08:35 deepin-bot [snyh]:  it seems..
08:36 G-Ray I donwloaded the version from https://www.deepin.org/download.html
08:36 G-Ray hi hualet_deepin!
08:37 deepin-bot [snyh]:  Any way, deepin will continue develop more software in they way, and feedback the community in the proper time.
08:39 G-Ray I understand, but if you ship deeping with only open source software by default, any user could install the proprietary software they want from the store
08:39 G-Ray deepin*
08:40 G-Ray Anyway, I think deepin move in the right direction in order to make people move to Linux
08:41 G-Ray Nice design decisions, Usage of Qt library, nice desktop/configuration panel, and very nice and complete app store!
08:41 hualet_deepin G-Ray deepin is intend to be useable out of the box and elegant, as you can see, to everyone
08:41 hualet_deepin including non-tech guys
08:42 hualet_deepin but many open source softwares are not very user friendly
08:42 G-Ray yes, deepin is easier to use than ubuntu/mint/debian etc
08:42 G-Ray I don't think so about open source softwares
08:42 hualet_deepin so we replace some of them with free proprietery softwares
08:44 G-Ray I understand but like I said, some advanced users could refrain from switching to deepin because of these default proprietary software. But I understand this decision too
08:44 hualet_deepin G-Ray: you should understand that there're many people really like those softwares we ship deepin with
08:45 G-Ray Yeah I understand :)
08:46 hualet_deepin G-Ray: Anyway, I hope there'll be more and more distros based on deepin emerge
08:46 hualet_deepin then you can pick one as you like ;)
08:46 G-Ray Yeah, I am currently think about porting the appstore to arch
08:46 G-Ray thinking*
08:47 hualet_deepin really ? that sounds like tons of hard work
08:48 hualet_deepin G-Ray: you're from Arch community ?
08:48 deepin-bot [snyh]:   As the growth of the deepin user, deepin (or other guys) will find the proper way to balance the default packages.
08:49 G-Ray I'm an arch user yeah, currently thinking about switching to ubuntu because I spend too much time to tweak my config :D
08:51 G-Ray But arch repositories are great! And we can find almost any software in the Arch user Repository !
08:51 hualet_deepin ;)
08:51 hualet_deepin G-Ray: yeah, I agree with you
08:51 G-Ray And I like the rolling release model
08:51 G-Ray But I think configuration of new packages should be automatic
08:51 hualet_deepin do you know felixonmars ? he's one of the Arch developers
08:52 hualet_deepin he has a good relationship with us, too :D
08:52 hualet_deepin G-Ray: yeah, that's our ultimate goal too
08:53 G-Ray No I don't know him, sadly I don't contribute to the arch community
08:53 hualet_deepin rolling release is good yet very dangerous sometime ;)
08:53 G-Ray Great if rolling release is a planned goal !
08:53 deepin-bot [snyh]:  it Maybe someday deepin would support the arch repository. who knows.
08:54 hualet_deepin really, good to hear that. snyh ;)
08:54 hualet_deepin G-Ray: deepin is now in rolling release, based on debian sid
08:55 deepin-bot [snyh]:  deepin always find the way to do some cool, exciting and useful things.
08:57 G-Ray So deeping is already a rolling release if it uses debian sid repositories ?
08:58 hualet_deepin G-Ray: Congratulations, your answer is correct !!! XD
08:59 G-Ray Why is there a release number then ? Like 15.2 ?
09:00 hualet_deepin G-Ray: Any software gets a version number, right ?
09:00 hualet_deepin so does the deepin project ;)
09:00 G-Ray Only if It reached a features set I think
09:01 hualet_deepin yeah
09:01 deepin-bot [felixonmars]:  so it's only 2 major versions away from E17
09:01 deepin-bot [felixonmars]:  and two years later deepin beat all DE by version number
09:01 hualet_deepin it also marks some core features update
09:01 G-Ray felixonmars: You are an arch dev then ?
09:02 deepin-bot [felixonmars]:  Yep :)
09:02 G-Ray nice to meet you :)
09:02 G-Ray And you work for deepin ?
09:02 deepin-bot [felixonmars]:  I work for Arch *cough*
09:03 hualet_deepin oh my god, an Arch dev is trolling in #deepin XD
09:04 deepin-bot [felixonmars]:  don't worry hualet, it's a good day
09:09 G-Ray debian sid update never breaks deeping ?
09:09 G-Ray With a new kernel for instance
09:10 hualet_deepin G-Ray: deepin is maintaining a kernel version itself
09:10 hualet_deepin Of course the updates break deepin
09:11 hualet_deepin but we solve those breaks first before the updates go to our users
09:11 felixonmars also deepin defer package updates and push them as a group after extended testing. just like manjaro.
09:13 G-Ray Nice release model. But I guess that you can't test every configuration, with different graphic cards etc
09:14 felixonmars yep, that's why they need community volunteers as well :P
09:15 hualet_deepin felixonmars is right.
09:17 G-Ray It may be a silly question, but why deepin is not based on a existing desktop environment ?
09:17 felixonmars it was, and they got lots of questions about why it's not a standalone desktop environment :P
09:18 G-Ray isn't it a standalone DE ?
09:18 felixonmars it wasn't so standalone as today
09:18 G-Ray ah ok
09:19 felixonmars back to like 1 or 2 years ago, it didn't have its own session manager and used something like gnome-session
09:19 G-Ray I really like KDE plasma, but it's not always stable. But apps that use KDE frameworks are so powerful !
09:20 G-Ray Gnome/gtk apps are nice, but too simple to me
09:20 G-Ray less is more, but gtk apps really lack configuration abilities
09:22 G-Ray Maybe a deepin/KDE apps combo would make sense too
09:22 felixonmars I use a plasma/deepin apps combo most of the time :P
09:25 G-Ray On arch ?
09:27 G-Ray Do you plan to distribute packages with a protocol like bittorrent in order to get faster downloads ?
09:33 G-Ray lastore-daemon seems to be well designed. I guess one could write a backend for another package manager like the one for apt https://github.com/linuxdeepin/lastore-da​emon/blob/4f12d767470a76d02d8a4c4a86a3cd2​6f674da89/src/internal/system/apt/apt.go
09:39 felixonmars G-Ray: yep, on Arch
09:39 felixonmars G-Ray: i think we have enough mirrors that won't be any slower than bittorrent :P
09:39 G-Ray felixonmars: Last time I tried deepin on arch, there were a huge memory leak IIRC
09:39 felixonmars G-Ray: it's somewhat better now :P
09:40 felixonmars G-Ray: ask hualet or snyh for some details, so maybe they can get it fixed sooner (cough
09:48 G-Ray Why did you chose to use debian sid as a base and not another distro ?
09:48 felixonmars hualet_deepin: ^
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11:55 G-Ray ?
11:56 G-Ray Why do you consider Debian Sid as a stable base to build deepin on ?
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